Yeah, we’re going to have to talk about money. Again.

I’m pretty sure I’ve said before that when it comes to movies, money—the numbers—means nothing. Right? Yes. I’ve said that. It’s one of my truisms. Movie studio accounting is so creative—like, SUPER CREATIVE—that you can take the same set of figures and interpret it six different ways and make it mean something different every time. So I hate it when fans start using a movie’s revenue to bludgeon each other with why Movie X and Actor Y is/isn’t a success/failure and their career is over/skyrocketing because Movie X made/lost so much/little money. It’s annoying because 1) it propagates a lot of stereotypes about filmmaking that don’t really exist anymore, and 2) I end up getting a lot of email from either the fans trying to convince me of whatever it is they want validated or my friends and acquaintances who work for movie studios and accounting firms who are totally baffled as to where some numbers come from, and then expect me to explain it when I can barely add myself.

So, I sat down with some folks over the last few days and reviewed what’s going on with film accounting in the post-economic collapse environment—because we’re in a major paradigm shift for how movies are made and financed—and we’re going to have a talk about this, so that if you must engage in this type of talk, you at least have a better idea of why it’s all bullshit anyway.

The first rule is—fans are not welcome. You can’t approach any conversation about the numbers from a fan’s perspective. Movie math can be fascinating, but as long as you’re trying to prove/disprove something relating to the talent, your position is compromised from the get. You’ve got to nix the vendetta and just look at the numbers as raw data without the personal slant. It’s a lot easier to interpret what you’re looking at once you’ve stopped trying to justify your fan belief of the week. The second rule is that if you have to talk about the numbers, keep in mind that everything is an estimate, and no one really knows for sure what a movie’s profit and loss statement looks like, except for people responsible for the bendy math that either makes something look more successful than it was to encourage more investment, or makes it less profitable so they don’t have to pay back-end deals. Because yes, studios will straight up lie about a movie’s profitability in order to punk out on back-end deals.

Now. Let’s talk numbers.*

For the purpose of this being somewhat coherent, I’ve invented a movie studio, Polydore Pictures. In 2012, Polydore is slated to release two dozen films. Used to be, a studio would negotiate with the theater chains to get each movie into the cineplex, with the theater keeping a percentage of ticket sales. Usually, that relationship broke down to roughly 55% of domestic ticket sales going back to the studio, and the theaters keeping the rest. But then the theater chains all went broke in the early 2000s, and the financing model changed. So now, Polydore has a contract with the theaters that packages their releases together into a flat-rate deal, with the exception of a few select properties that are projected to make the big money. Those will be negotiated separately, in percentage packages.

For 2012, Polydore sells fifteen of their titles to the theaters in a flat-rate deal. That deal amortizes the payouts to the theaters over the year, say, $525 million is earmarked for theater payouts over 12 months. That money is paid from an account that is wholly separate from the accounts taking in the revenue of the movies currently in release. It’s not an A=B=A deal, so it’s not entirely apropos to judge a movie’s profitability on an assumed percentage deal because 1) the theaters probably aren’t being a paid a percentage for that ONE movie, but are getting paid for releasing ALL the movies, and 2) the movie’s actual revenue is going into an account where it will be parsed later to pay investors, talent, fund potential sequels, and internal bonuses if the property performs really well, etc. The money going to the theaters is mostly coming from revenues earned in the previous fiscal year. So assuming a movie is losing 45% of its revenue to the theaters isn’t really accurate, because that $525 million is amortized over fifteen titles—no one movie is bearing the brunt You basically shouldn’t account for that at all when you’re trying to judge success and failure with the numbers. Theater payouts are a separate set of books.

What about the nine movies they didn’t package? Six of them are specialty division releases—foreign language/arthouse films—that get deals done separately from the mainstream package. In the case of AMC, who has bought up a lot of independent theaters and maintained them as arthouses, Polydore’s flat-rate deal extends to those six pictures. So the AMC deal is for twenty one movies, not fifteen (which further decreases the burden on the mainstream releases). For indie theaters, the flat-rate deal is a way better proposition than a percentage deal, because these movies don’t usually make a ton of money, and 45% of no money is still no money, so the flat-rate guarantees revenue regardless of how the movies perform. But where there isn’t a chain-sponsored arthouse, Polydore will make whatever kind of deal the theater can handle. If they can screen all six films, great! Flat-rate deal. If not, they’ll go into percentages and in these cases, the theaters will require more of the take because they know going in they’re not talking about the bonanzas the mainstream theaters will see, thanks to tent pole titles. It’s actually easier to lose money on these small films, which are made for peanuts, because the studio is way less protected against that loss than they are with a blockbuster, where they’ve shunted as much of the debt burden onto third parties as possible.

Now, the remaining three films are the tent poles, the major blockbuster releases. Each movie is negotiated separately, and the theater deals are almost always percentage based, because with these movies, the potential for a bonanza is highest. Polydore, being a major studio with a lot of clout, is going to get the sweetest end of these deals. They’ll get AT LEAST 55% of the domestic revenue, with the reality being they’ll likely get 60%+. These movies are expected to make a lot of money, and 1/3rd of a lot is still a lot, so the theaters will take lesser percentages than they will from a mid-range studio releasing mid-range movies, where the grosses often don’t top $100 million. But even still, the grosses going back to the studio are not being flipped directly back to the theaters. They’ll enter the labyrinth of funky movie math and then the theaters will get paid at the end of the quarter with entirely different money, which probably came from the parent company, not the movie studio. The studio is always trying to keep as much money as possible. That’s the goal.

Now let’s talk about the part where movie studios are lying liars who lie out their lying holes. Better known as, how Prints and Advertising (P&A) costs are the black hole from which money never returns. The only rule of thumb regarding movie math that is still remotely applicable is the basic cost + half model. A movie is successful if the domestic gross covers the production budget + half again. So if a $100 million dollar movie makes $150+ million domestically, then it’s a success. The assumption there is that the P&A costs are half what the movie cost to make. That’s usually true (unless you’re Disney—then you spend on P&A like money is going out of style). In Polydore’s case, they have an internal marketing department who handles all their P&A.

Blockbuster 1, Superheroes Punching Faces, cost $203.45 million to make, which gets reported as $200 million, because when do you ever see anything but nice round numbers on a budget projection? The P&A ran another $110 million (extra spendy to make sure the mega-investment is returned). They need to top $310 million, domestically, to be considered a success. The theaters are going to get 35% of the revenue, but that money will pay out from other funding. At the end of the year, Superheroes Punching Faces is a big hit, pulling $500+ million at the US box office. Hooray!

Polydore will still declare it a loss.

How? P&A. It’s an expenditure for which there is no revenue. The production budget relies heavily on investors who must be paid back and also accounts for talent salaries, including back-end deals. Talent and investors with enough clout will get points on first-receipt revenue, meaning they get paid before anyone else, but it’s not uncommon for people to get screwed out of their points when the studio declares their movie a loss. But the marketing department doesn’t have to be paid back—they’re pure overhead. It’s kind of like in a law office, where the attorney has billable hours but the legal assistant is salaried, which is just overhead the firm absorbs. So Polydore has one statement saying they spent $110 million on P&A and another that’s been magicked by the accountants to explain why they’re never getting that $110 million back, and so the movie is a $110 million loss. When internal documents were leaked from Warner Brothers showing Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix was a $167 million loss, despite making over $900 million globally, it basically came down to WB not paying themselves back for marketing costs.

What about foreign box office and VOD/home video/rental grosses? Gravy. That’s all gravy. The cost + half model assumes that if you break even domestically, at the least, then anything beyond that is gravy. This is why twisting the numbers is a losing game—the studios are just looking to recoup the total cost of the film domestically, since they can write down P&A and then keep the foreign/home-platform revenues for themselves. Once you get into, “Yeah but they’re only getting X% of the box office,” you’re making assumptions about something that not only do you not really know about, but is probably not actually happening anyway, and ultimately won’t matter when they write off the marketing costs as a loss regardless of how the film performs. All you’re doing there is making a bunch of liar-liar-pants-on-fires look better than they are. They’re pirates. Stop making them look good.

In reality, though, foreign box office is often not as lucrative as it looks on paper. Between the shitty dollar and more aggressive exhibitor deals—percentages are still the dominate factor—the studios typically see less than half, even often less than a third, of their foreign gross. Polydore will end up getting more back, eventually, through their parent company, which has fingers in many international pies, but that’s why they want to make cost + half domestically, so that what they do end up with is pure profit. Ditto for the home video/VOD market, which thanks to diminishing DVD sales, is no longer the cornerstone of movie financing. I’m not sure the emerging VOD market will ever fully match the DVD market of the 1990’s/early 2000’s, so the only real “cure” for slacking movie profits is to lower the cost of filmmaking. This is why movies like Angry White Man Seeks Revenge and Comedians Farting In Each Other’s Faces have become the heart of the studio’s slate—they’re made on the cheap and can turn 200% profits.

So. The numbers. They mean nothing. Trying to twist them to suit your own purposes just plays into an already obfuscated system and feeds the cycle of misinformation and outright propaganda the studios want you to believe about financing and where the money goes. All you really need to know is that none of this ultimately matters because it’s all a mess and they’re probably declaring it a loss anyway, for the tax write-off. If you want to use the numbers to judge the success of a movie, just go by cost + half and forget percentages and foreign take and who’s getting what. If they meet cost + half domestically, they’re going to make a profit, no matter what the final profit and loss statement ends up saying.

*All of these numbers are completely made up and are just nice, round numbers my math-challenged brain can handle. Polydore Pictures is not a stand-in for a real movie studio.

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12 Responses to “Yeah, we’re going to have to talk about money. Again.”

  1. anaishilator Says:

    The mind is boggled at anything remotely related to HP being declared a “loss”.

    But there is one thing I am curious about…..how much if any of the merchandising profits does the studio recoup? Take Avengers for example. I know stan lee gets paid, Marvel gets paid, the actors(I think? ) get paid if their likeness is involved, does the studio get a cut of the toys/backpacks/action figures/video games/coloring books/enemas/lunch boxes etc?

    I mean personally, I always figured that film salary aside, those HP kids have got to be loaded just from the merchandising alone!

    • Merchandising is even more of morass than financing. It depends studio to studio, what their merch deals are with the manufacturers. Paramount does okay with Hasbro and Transformers, but they don’t get as much as you’d think. Hasbro keeps most of it because they’re bearing the brunt of the manufacturing costs. Disney will make crazy bank with Marvel/The Avengers because it’s all in-house, so they get to keep 100% of their merch revenue, or at least 100% before they start paying rights out. Marvel gets the next biggest cut as the license holder, but any actor whose face is used on merch (image rights) gets at least a fraction of a percent. A big deal guy like RDJ will get a few points, but probably no more than five, and even then, he’s probably closer to 3. Ditto for the HP folks. They get a few points, but not a lot. Although when you consider how much they sell, those 2-3 points can rack up fast. One of the worst merch deals I’ve heard of, from the studio perspective, was New Line and LOTR. Because the actors worked for virtually nothing, they got very generous back-end and merch deals.

      • anaishilator Says:

        Dunno what the studios are bitching about, LOTR made a crapload of money at the BO, on demand, video rentals, dvd/bluray sales, and whatnot.

        I checked out the net worth of the HP kids , and the estimations seem to be based on their salaries from the films alone, not facturing merch or anything. I know they were young when they started but still, no halfway competent agent looking at their client starring in bonanaza franchise(aimed at kids no less!) lets them ink a deal where they dont get their cut of merch. I mean heck HP leveraged their merch to the hilt. Shoot the poster money alone should keep those kids in astin martins the rest of their natural lives , with estimated merch revenue at 4.7 billion worldwide.

      • Well, New Line’s heart was in the right place–they were very generous with their talent–but in the end, between huge payouts and bad films that bombed, they were bankrupt within a few years of LOTR wrapping up. I mean, look at Summit. They’ve made 1B with Twilight in less than 4 years, and they couldn’t stand alone either, and they’re WAY stingier with their money. The model is breaking down all around, and filmmaking costs are just going to have to come down, across the board. We’re already seeing actor salaries go down, but they’ll have to come down even further, and the directors are just going to have to stop spending so much. You don’t NEED $100 million to make a movie. You really, really don’t.

        Merch deals, man, they’re tricky. You think–Oh, they made 4.7B on merchandise, those kids must be rolling in it. But the biggest chunk goes to whoever made the product, then it’s the original license holder (for HP, that would be JK Rowling), then it’s the grantor (WB), then it’s anyone they’ve given points to (the kids). They likely didn’t get any merch points until the later films in the series, beyond a kind of flat fee for their image rights. But the last few years, yeah, they probably got a few points each (usually 1-2). but, you have to figure, even 1% of 100M is 1M, so yeah, those kids were pulling millions in merch residuals by the end (and will be for some time to come).

        Celebrity net worth is a joke. There’s even a site that “details” it, but all it is whatever numbers get published, usually off of the Forbes list and security filings from movie studios, but that’s only a fraction of the picture. I know one actor whose net worth is listed as sub-20M, but he’s worth five times that, all from various residuals and license, but that kind of information is rarely made public. It’s crazy.

  2. You should teach a class.

  3. anaishilator Says:

    Re: film costs. yeah really, how much money does it take to render something on a computer screen anyway?

    If Brad Pitt has to make 5 mil dollars less a movie than so be it if I dont have to pay 13 to see something in 3D.

    And whose idea was it to bring back the 3D gimmick?
    Another reason I hate Avatar.

  4. anaishilator Says:

    And one last thing, have things calmed down with MGM? Word is there was talk of that studio’s financial issues delyaing the new Bond and Hobbitt movies.

    • Yeah, they’re out of the woods now. Stuff that got bogged down in the bankruptcy like Cabin the Woods and Red Dawn are out/coming out, and The Hobbit #1 is set for December. Bond is what? November?

  5. Elizabeth M. Says:

    OK, so for a film to be labelled a “success” by the production budget + half rule, the emphasis is on the domestic box office (ie. US and Canada) rather than the cumulative profit of the domestic AND foreign box office? (although I think this is changing….?) That’s NUTS.

    • It’s not that it doesn’t *matter*, because it does ever moreso each year, but in terms of using money as a metric of success, the foreign take just confuses the issue. Even less is known about those deals than is known about domestic ones, and that’s already a crap shoot. The point of cost + half is that if they make that domestically, then whatever they do get from overseas is pure profit. But people get into this incredibly bendy math about, well, Movie X made this much overseas, but they only get so much percent, so it’s not really successful, and it’s like–whoa. You don’t have a remote clue–no one does–as to what that take looks like. So go with cost + half, and then know that whatever they are actually getting from overseas box office, is profit. Yes?

  6. Hi Sarah: With SWATH barely scratching the 170 production cost, how can the reporting be accurate anointing SWATH as a success?

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